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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
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It must be remembered that most hammerless guns are carried cocked. On most, if there are no intercepting sears, the safety only blocks the triggers and are no different to a cocked hammer gun being carried. Lagopus.....

I'd say they are quite different. Remarkably so.

Mechanically, they’re not you idiot. Sear, hammer (tumbler), bent, trigger. How is that different?????? Other than the hammers being on the outside, how is that any different?
You’re an idiot. Remarkably so.

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Originally Posted by LeFusil
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by lagopus
It must be remembered that most hammerless guns are carried cocked. On most, if there are no intercepting sears, the safety only blocks the triggers and are no different to a cocked hammer gun being carried. Lagopus.....

I'd say they are quite different. Remarkably so.

Mechanically, they’re not you idiot. Sear, hammer (tumbler), bent, trigger. How is that different?????? Other than the hammers being on the outside, how is that any different?
You’re an idiot. Remarkably so.

You seriously can't figure that out?

Interesting.


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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by LeFusil
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by lagopus
It must be remembered that most hammerless guns are carried cocked. On most, if there are no intercepting sears, the safety only blocks the triggers and are no different to a cocked hammer gun being carried. Lagopus.....

I'd say they are quite different. Remarkably so.

Mechanically, they’re not you idiot. Sear, hammer (tumbler), bent, trigger. How is that different?????? Other than the hammers being on the outside, how is that any different?
You’re an idiot. Remarkably so.

You seriously can't figure that out?

Interesting.

The only thing interesting here is you continuously flapping your gums, you haven’t said anything useful here since you started gracing us with your presence. There’s gotta be some phycology with this. What happened to you as a kid? Dad didn’t pay enough attention to you? Mom told you to shut up too much? Neighborhood kids pick on you? Older siblings bullied you? Socially retarded? Go get help Brent. So sad.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by lagopus
It must be remembered that most hammerless guns are carried cocked. On most, if there are no intercepting sears, the safety only blocks the triggers and are no different to a cocked hammer gun being carried. Lagopus.....

I'd say they are quite different. Remarkably so.

Lagopus is correct that the safety on hammerless shotguns only blocks the trigger from tripping the sears. On those hammerless guns without intercepting sears, which are almost all boxlock guns except a very few early ones, there is no difference in safety than carrying a hammer gun cocked than a hammerless gun with the safety off. And I see many hammerless guns carried in the field with the safety off, intentionally or unintentionally.

Muzzle control is the only true safety on any firearm.

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Piotti's current hammer gun lock has an intercepting sear as well as the rebound bent: [Linked Image from revivaler.com]

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Originally Posted by FlyChamps
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Originally Posted by lagopus
It must be remembered that most hammerless guns are carried cocked. On most, if there are no intercepting sears, the safety only blocks the triggers and are no different to a cocked hammer gun being carried. Lagopus.....

I'd say they are quite different. Remarkably so.

Lagopus is correct that the safety on hammerless shotguns only blocks the trigger from tripping the sears. On those hammerless guns without intercepting sears, which are almost all boxlock guns except a very few early ones, there is no difference in safety than carrying a hammer gun cocked than a hammerless gun with the safety off. And I see many hammerless guns carried in the field with the safety off, intentionally or unintentionally.

Muzzle control is the only true safety on any firearm.

I do not see people carrying hammerless guns with the safety off. VERY frowned upon. Intercepting sears or not.

Muzzle control is always paramount, of course, it but so is redundancy. SKB took a tumble this weekend. Many others will as well. And unsafed gun or a hammergum at full cock is nothing one should have in his hands while falling. The Fuse is no exception.


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A couple of things. Simply having the gun on safe isn’t going to prevent an accidental discharge if you drop the gun or take a tumble. In certain cases, even having intercepting Sears won’t prevent a discharge. If you’ve actually had any time whatsoever into the inner workings of these vintage guns, you know that there are very few safeties on vintage guns that totally disengage the firing mechanism, aka completely isolate it. Stalking safeties and various manual blocking systems obviously being an exception.
Many vintage guns intercepting safety systems flat out don’t work. Various causes, for example weak or broken intercepting sear springs, poor design, wear, etc. One of the most common, especially on boxlock designs is sometime in the guns life, the intercepting safety system was totally removed (on both sides or maybe just on the problem side).
Muzzle control in conjunction with keeping your fingers off the trigger(s) are more reliable than any safety mechanism.
Having a mechanically sound gun (action in tune, maintenance done correctly etc) are also very important. Not having a trigger or triggers that are set like a match rifle is another consideration. Trigger pulls of at least 4 lbs have always been considered good, lower than that, probably somewhat of a liability, especially if you take a hard fall and knock the sear & hammer out of bent. It gets easier for that to happen the lighter your trigger pull is.
How many of you have ever tested your intercepting sears for proper function? How many would even know how to do it? I’m betting very few.
Again, a gun in excellent mechanical condition, keeping your fingers outside of the trigger guard, muzzle control, safe handling, properly negotiating obstacles and using your head are much better methods of being safe than strictly relying on a safety.

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Originally Posted by Kip
Piotti's current hammer gun lock has an intercepting sear as well as the rebound bent: [Linked Image from revivaler.com]

I don’t have one like that.

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