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Never to old to learn . What is the diffrence between Damascus and Twist Barrels? I have always used the term Damascus for any multi-layered hammer welded barrel. Eager for more information. RPr
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Twist barrels have a helical or spiral pattern of lines like a barber pole or candy cane with no addtional embellishments. Damascus barrels also have a spiral pattern but also have swirls and whorls that some call fingerprint patterns or other patterns that are repeated along the barrel. The following photos of twist and Damascus barrels will illustrate this difference. Twist Barrels: Damascus:
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RPr; Glad you asked. Oscar did a great job in answering. Hope many will see this thread & stop using the terms interchangably. While technically both are "twist", both are not "damascus". They are in reality "Plain Twist" & "Damascus Twist". When the term damascus is used this eliminates plain twist ( or should) & when just "twist" is stated this ordinarily assumes "plain twist" also sometimes called "Wire Twist". Miller
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Oscar and Miller:
How would you catagorize "Bernard", "Star" and other distinct patterned hand fabricated barrels? I have always treated each of these as their own catagories of fabricated barrels separate from twist and damascus patterned barrels. I think new-comers (and the rest of us) would love to see finished examples of each if you have them Oscar. ;-) Russ
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Russ; I do not have the knowledge on this subject that Oscar does. However to make an attempt, I would say that there are hundreds of different patterns that would all be classified as damascus. There are also a few variations in twist but not as many as damascus. In the sense of the broad classification I believe both of the patterns you mentioned are in the damascus category. Damascus is sometimes further defined by the number of strips or bands as 2-iron, 3-iron etc & even within the same no of strips pattern variation occurs according to the exact pileing of the bars before twisting. Am sure Oscar can add more to this. Miller
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Russ I agree with Miller that the three patterns (Bernard, Chain and Star) are just variations of crolle Damascus one of which is the four-iron crolle shown in my previous post. The only difference in the crolle and the other fancier patterns is the way the iron and steel are arranged in the bar that is twisted into a rope and then the ropes welded into a ribband and then wound aroung a mandrel to forge the barrels. The crolle bars consist of rectangular strips of alternating iron and steel welded into a square bar, while the Bernard bar cross section looks like a checkerboard of alternating small square bars of iron and steel. Saches book and other references show how the other patterns are made. I do have photos of the three patterns that you mentioned and I will show them below: Bernard Chain Star (etoile')
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Thanks Oscar and Miller. I just love the look of the Black and White Bernard barrels. One day I will find a nice double with them to add to the collection. Great work Oscar. Russ
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Thanks for posting Bernard, as there seems to be alot of people mistaking it for twist barrels. Bob
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Very interesting subject,Its amazing the knowledge one can acquire on this site.I only wish That I could retain it.Learning every day.
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BTW, Oscar, how to count 2,3,4...-iron or strips or layers of damascus in right way? Thank's.
Geno.
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