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Can anybody identify these proof marks? I believe they are Belgian, but can anyone shed more light and info on what they mean? The one that is a little fuzzy is a Star over an R. It is a strange gun too. The lever is the fore end. It is a metal lever that moves to the right to open the barrels. Stocked to the fences. rabbit ears. 
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Typical blackpowder Belgian. Revdocdrew has a pic trail that explains it all: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17575181. The fuzzy ones are an intertwined E & L above a "*" over an "a" - inspectors mark on barrel or date code on the barrel flats. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Barrels are marked steel on the top rib.
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All explained here http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17575181From left to right 1. EL in cursive - Provisional proof 1852 to present (slightly different mark used from 1811) 2. Spangled R - controller's (inspector's) mark. 3. Le Perron - Inspection post 1811 (but first used in 1672) 4. Acceptance mark (Definitive Proof) of the Banc d'Epreuves des Arms a Feu de Liege (Proof House for Firearms of Liege) post 1813. After 1893 the ELG over a star in an oval is usually crowned. 5. That might be a faint greek alphabet dateletter? Dateletters (for date of proof, not date of manufacture) started in 1922 and the greek letters in 1948. Smokeless proof after 1898 was a stylized lion over P.V.
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The gun is probably a Lefaucheaux, from your description. Sometimes it's called a scissor-action.(easier to pronounce than Lefaucheaux)
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Can anybody identify these proof marks? I believe they are Belgian, but can anyone shed more light and info on what they mean? The one that is a little fuzzy is a Star over an R. It a strange gun too. The lever is the fore end. It is a metal lever that moves to the right to open the barrels. Stocked to the fences. rabbit ears.
Jim is correct, the action is a Lefaucheux, named after the French gun maker Casimir Lefaucheux. http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20k%20l/a%20lefaucheux%20gb.htmCasimir Lefaucheux was granted a patent for the pinfire cartridge in 1835. A great many Lefaucheux action shotguns were built by the Belgians and the Swedes to name a few. Of the proof marks you have shown, there is nothing to indicate that is gun proofed for smokeless powder. Matter of fact, it could be a very early gun by the proof marks. A few pictures of the entire gun may help. Some one may recognize the model. Pete
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Well ..it is all a part. My Dad died two weeks ago and I found it when we were cleaning house. It's all there along with his drawings on how it went together. My guess is he was planning on cleaning it and putting back together some day and the some day never came. I will put it together loosely to get some pics.
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dubble, My condolences, by all means. The marks further down the barrels towards the muzzles would be most helpful. And yes, from the shape of the lugs. it is the "L" word action.  Regards, Mark
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Thanks Mark, he was a great guy and I miss him a lot. He had a good run of 87 years, 60 of it married to his gal.
The only other marks on the barrels are the letters HS or SH depending on which way you look at it, and the serial numbers 17202 stamped in the bottom rib. I looked at other guns on the internet sites but this one has no wood at all as a forend, just the action and the under lever like the Husquevarna. There is no provision for any wood as a forend.
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This is exactly (even the same ga. @16), what it looks like. (Found these on the web)  
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