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#643611 03/05/24 10:09 PM
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It's time I learned some answers to some questions I have had about "rook rifles". Let's start with what I think I know. I think rook rifles were mostly mid-caliber centerfire single shots that were used to take potshots at crows (rooks) in G. Britain. From what I have garnered a gamekeeper, or other shooter, would slip surreptitiously into a rookery ( a crow roost?) and look to take potshots at crows sitting in trees.

If any, or part, of this is accurate I have a couple questions that are bugging me about it all. Why were calibers used that seem to use bullets that are heavy and slow, and with a rainbow trajectory? Why was the .22 LR not used in these rook rifles, since it is entirely capable of taking out a crow? I've killed many with it, with never a wounded loss.

It just seems to me that the whole concept of single shot rifles to reduce the number of crows on an estate would have been much better served with a .22 LR. Was it a matter of timing? Had the .22 LR not been developed by the time the mid-caliber, so called rook rifles were in demand, or was there some other obvious reason I am missing?


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Accounts that I have read seem to suggest that this was as more a sport activity than merely a crow cull.
The "rooks" were juvenile crows sitting on branches - and referred to as "branchers".

This rooking was done before the 22rf became popular as I understand.
The slow bullet was likely preferred for a short carry.
YMMV.


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Rook rifles were developed by extremely vindictive English chess players in the early 1880s. Because it would have been unseemly and uncouth to target the Bishops, the Queen, or the King. But rooks... Well, who gave a damn.

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Stan,

I understand that in black powder days the smaller the bore the quicker fouling build up became a problem.

This is why the Lancaster Oval Bore and Holland’s Semi-Smooth Bore Rook Rifles were promoted for their abilities to fire multiple shots without the need to keep wiping out.

Early Rook Rifles were often .380 and could also be used for Roebuck, Duiker and other small quadrupeds.

Just to be clear a Rook is not a Crow although a similar bird in the Corvid family. Their habits are very different.

Rooks are very gregarious and build their nests in dense colonies called Rookeries (a word also used in Victorian London for a Criminal slum at St. Giles).

This and the fact that the breast meat of the young “branchers” was edible if properly marinated (Mrs. Parabola has cooked a Rook Pie) made Rook Shooting in early May, when the branchers were emerging from the nests but there was not yet too much leaf on the trees, an annual social event when there was not much else in the way of shooting on offer.

The gentry would gather for a house party with single or sometimes double rifles from best London “makers” almost invariably from a Birmingham supplier.

For Rookeries not reserved for their “betters” the villagers would harvest the branchers with catapults, shotguns, stone bows etc.

As American .22’s were imported and ammunition improved .22 rifles generally displaced the centre fire rifles.

I the 1895 Army and Navy Catalogue the .22 Colt Lightning was offered as a Repeating Rook Rifle.

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Funny you should mention that.

Lord Dunsany, who included a diatribe on the proper sighting of Rook and Rabbit Rifles in his book “The Curse of the Wise Woman” was in the early 1900’s both the Chess Champion of Ireland and the Champion Revolver Shot of Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Parabola
Stan,

......the breast meat of the young “branchers” was edible .....

So did this activity inspire the saying "Let them eat crow." smile

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Does anybody else think this thread just begs for a bunch of photos of rook rifles?
LRF- My wife collected cookbooks, she had a couple, one even printed by the Pa. Game Commission, that had recipes for crow. She would cook any creature I shot or caught, but drew the line at insects and crows.

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The reason was the date as indicated above. I own 4 or 5 and several are from Australia, France etc, and were made in the post Civil War era when the .22 LR was not even around in some cases. The BP was the issue. Keep in mind too that there were many cartridges used, many of which were quite a bit too powerful to have been needed for small birds. I have seen mention of these being used for rabbits, hare and small game; sometimes even small deer on the upper end of the power spectrum. The whole class seems to be a broad subject, but actually extends past England and small birds.

In later days, they were made in .22 and many of the medium bores were relined to .22. If you think about it, any of the Martini small bores are rook rifles by function.

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see my link about an early Rook & Rabbit rifle that I posted a couple days ago ..

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=643554#Post643554

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Originally Posted by Greg G
LRF- My wife........drew the line at insects and crows.
LOL smart women. Don't Coots either. smile

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