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Jtplumb #647164 05/21/24 11:15 AM
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Thanks Mike for the bore information. For now I just hope the S&B FL fits in the chamber, since most likely will always be shooting this thing in timber.

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Jtplumb,
If they don't chamber and a chamber cast shows the chamber is one of the 9.3x72Rs other than the "N" version, there are a couple possible solutions. You might be able to modify the cartridges to fit the chamber, or it can be rechambered. This is one of a couple rechambering jobs that doesn't require re-proof, even under German law. While I would prefer to keep the gun original, it is yours, not mine. There are a couple other cartridges it could be chambered for and carry the 118,35 proofs. One is 9x58R Sauer& Sohn, others are 9.3x57R or 9.3x70R. I f a chamber cast shows it is chambered for one of these, you can handload for it.
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Jtplumb,
If they don't chamber and a chamber cast shows the chamber is one of the 9.3x72Rs other than the "N" version, there are a couple possible solutions. You might be able to modify the cartridges to fit the chamber, or it can be rechambered. This is one of a couple rechambering jobs that doesn't require re-proof, even under German law. While I would prefer to keep the gun original, it is yours, not mine. There are a couple other cartridges it could be chambered for and carry the 118,35 proofs. One is 9x58R Sauer& Sohn, others are 9.3x57R or 9.3x70R. I f a chamber cast shows it is chambered for one of these, you can handload for it.
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Could be 360-1/4 express. My stalking rifle was chambered for it. Its the original 9.3x72r but has a slight taper difference. I just reamed the chamber to 9.3x72rN and had no issues in chambering/firing or case integrity

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journeymen,
Yes, it could be the 360- 2 1/4", the 9.3x57R is the German designation for the same cartridge. A lot of German cartridges were based on the nominal 360- 2 1/4", some longer, some shorter and some with different diameters of bullets. Brad Dixon has a whole chapter in nis book, dedicated to cartridges based on that case (cases with head diameters from .427 to.434" with a rim are based on the 360).
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Although I would be cautions in using the term >>Express<< unless stamped on the tube and except when just referring to cartridges & parent cases. Although I just do not remember if 9,3X72R had an >>Express<< designation? I will have to look.

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Raimey,
There is an "Express" proof for the 9.3x72R, shown as a crown E. This mark appears on two of my 9.3x72Rs, even though neither of them fall into the 99.7gauge designation but are close to .360. The "Express" proof is a little stronger than the normal proof, but certainly it does not make a magnum class rifle of the 9.3x72R. You may find the term "Express" applied to rifles, to cartridges, or to bullets (the Tesco style). Sometimes it is applied mainly for advertisement. Context applied to the term is more important than the term itself.
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Back to the 360 2 1/4 and the 360 2/14 EXP. They are the same case but the non EXP rifles are of the BP era with slow twists and a 200ish grain bullet. The EXP proof rifles are more recent and have fast twists and are marked for a 300 grain bullet and 25 or 30 grains of CORDITE (not to be used in a rifle not proofed for it).

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So Ford are you saying there isn't a negligible difference between the 9,3X72R Schießpulver / Schuetzen powder loading & the later 9,3X72R Schultze powder/Express loading, only the dimensions?

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Raimey,
No, I'm saying the express loading only increases the pressure a couple thousand psi and puts the cartridge in the 35 Rem. class, not 358Enterkin class. Chamber dimensions of my two "Express" proofed 9.3x72R rifles are different, but not because of "Express" loading; one was proofed with a 13-gram bullet and the other with a 12-gram bullet. Both will chamber the more or less standard 193 grain bullet, but only the one for the 13-gram bullet will chamber handloads with my favorite bullet, the H&G 512c 208 grain blunt nose bullet. The other one uses a 200 grain (about)bullet from a shortened Lyman# 366406 mold.
Mike

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