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Good afternoon. It has been a while since I have posted, so I wanted to say hello again and ask a question about the scope base on my combo over under gun made by Miller & Greiss. The gun came without a scope, and I am thinking of possibly attaching a scope to it, since my eyes as not as young as they used to be. It is an unusual base that I have not seen a lot despite a lot of searching I have done online. I would like to post some pics of it and ask if you are familiar of have seen a scope base as this one and how or where to find more info of being able to mount a scope on it or find an actual scope that fits. Thank you.
Billk

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BillK,
Your chances of finding a scope to fit this rifle are pretty much "slim to none". However, your chances of having a pair of modern rings modified to fit, are pretty good. I don't remember seeing a mount base with the "stop" like on the front of this one before, but this general type of rail mount is not too uncommon. I suggest you take the rifle to a good gunsmith with a milling machine and have him modify a set of Ruger, Warn, or similar modern quick release type rings to fit. There may be issues with the width of the dove tail, and it may be tapered, but he should be able to work them out. Another likely problem will be eye relief with the particular scope and for this reason, I suggest you ask the gunsmith's advice before buying one. If it is a hammer gun, he should ensure the ring height is enough to allow you to reach both the hammers. The round cut on the base is to lock the rear ring by having a "flat" on the shaft of a lever that slides over it and then rotates the rounded part of the shaft into the cut. It is important that the rounded part of the shaft be thick enough that the lever cannot turn all the way down. In other words, the shaft must "bottom out" in the cut instead of the lever stopping on the base. Good luck.
Mike

Thank you Mike for taking the time to reply to my post. Can you recommend such a gunsmith?
BillK

BillK,
I could, in this part of the country, but not within driving range to you. The one I would recommend down here is recuperating from surgery that effects his ability to work for a while, anyway. The easiest way to find one is to ask the people at a trusted gunshop near you. If they don't have one "on staff" they will have one they are comfortable with to do their work.
Mike

Hello. I was able to find another combination gun made by the same company with the same scope base mount as mine. This one has its original scope. I tried zooming in the pic to get a better idea how the scope is mounted on the base rail, but it is not very clear. Maybe some of you who have a lot more experience than me can tell. I would like to search and find a scope that can attach to it if I know how to search for that particular mounting system or its name. I realize that is probably a long shot!

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1,7 Grammes G.B.P. / S.T.m.G.



Serbus,

Raimey
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Thank you so much.

Bill;

I think the task of converting the scope mounts is not difficult as it looks like they are a candidate for milling dovetails for a modern light weight set-up. And in the regard to lightweight a very light weight scope is in order so as to try to keep the original barrel regulation (with a scope). A European educated and trained gunsmith is the choice I would go if I were you, one who was trained in that type of firearm, and we have several in the USA---therefore I would call Gunter Pfrommer. Gunter is renown for his exceptional skills and quick turnaround.


Gunter Pfrommer at: Pfrommer Gunworks LLC 2954 Hopkins Road Rocky Mount, VA 24151 (540) 484-5555

Kind regards;
Stephen Howell

Bill;

After I made the above post, I looked at the photos you posted again as well as the photos of the other firearm you posted. The width of the rib on your M&G may be wide enough to dove tail that rib to use the Talley quick detachable scope rings and removing the original base. I have dovetailed double rifle ribs for the use of Talley rings and the dove tails can hardly be seen. If your rib is wide enough 12 mm or so, the current scope base could be removed and when the scope is mounted no little evidence of the original screw holes will be seen. If your rib is not wide enough or if you want to retain the original mount, that mount could be machined to fit the Talley rings base as well as dovetailing the area machined to fit the Talley ring base. Talley also makes dovetail base scope rings that are not quick detachable that you could use.

https://www.talleymanufacturing.com/product/1-screw-quick-detachable-ring-w-lever/

There are several considerations to be made in the work I mention above and that is to have the scope that you are going to use at hand, so that the gunsmith can place the scope rings dovetail exactly where the need to be in order not to interfere with the scope adjustment block; and the length that the scope rings need to be "apart" in order for the scope adjustment block to fit into the mounting as well as eye relief for you. And finally the scope needs to be high enough where you can easily use the top lever to open the barrels.

Regards;
Stephen Howell

Thank you Stephen for the recommendation.