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https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...sxs-ejector-shotgun.cfm?gun_id=103140589
Not mine but thought it was interesting enough to share. Pigeon or trap 10ga? Has a counter on it.

My #2 frame Parker 10 with 30” barrels is not much more than that. The counter is very cool.

Nice old gun, but if it were offered to me for $1000 I would pass. Love the wood color and grain contrast.
JR

am i correct in thinking this is another webley & scott gun - at, or awfully close to their amalgamation? has the spade shaped rib extension, and the overhanging sears that seem to show up about that time...

best regards,
tom

I have a GH parker 10 ,with 28 inch damascus thats just under 7 1/2 pounds ,they're around

My Krupp Steel J.P. Sauer 26" ten weighs 6 pounds, 4 ounces and has very acceptable wall thickness. Don't ask me how they did that. I like everything about the gun in question except the price. I think the game counter takes it out of the pigeon or trap category. It is a driven bird gun for someone who likes to take the tall ones. Looks like a Webley screw grip action but the pictures are not real clear.

6lbs, 4ozs, might be a bit too light for a 10 gauge. My Nitro 16 weighs about that, but, I don’t shoot anything heavier than an ounce of shot out of it.

For some reason, a 12 gauge Ugartechea I own, that weighs the same 6lbs, 4ozs, seems to wallop me when I run 1 1/8th ounce factory loads in it. It has 3” chambers, but, I would never try that. 1 ounce Vintagers make it far more friendly to actually use.

Best,
Ted

I haven't shot the little Sauer for awhile, but ounce loads are heavy enough. I have plenty of RST shells for it.

This is not scientific, but merely an observation about payload weights and velocities. Over my lifetime shooting and hunting I have come to shun higher velocity loads. I'm not referring to those new hyper velocity loads that scream away at over 1300-1400 fps. Those are obviously high velocity, but I just don't care for anything much over 1200 fps anymore. At the same time, I have come to favor heavier payloads. Having spent a great deal of time shooting .410s up through 10 gauges, I find that I prefer the heavier payloads for the gauge . . . . 3/4 oz. in a .410, 3/4 oz. in a 28, 7/8 oz. in a 20, 1 oz. in a 16 and at least 1 1/8 in a 12. In short tens I really like 1 1/4 oz. However, these are not heavy recoiling loads at all in my guns. They're extremely pleasant to shoot because the velocity of most of my favorite loads is in the 1145-1175 fps range.

Heavier guns do not necessarily mean slow, cumbersome guns. Better makers learned long ago to construct their heavier pieces with dynamic handling characteristics. Pigeon guns have to handle like lightning but be able to comfortably utilize a heavy load (3 3/4 - 1 1/4 is the most common load). No one that has ever shot my 31 1/2" barreled Perazzi MX8 could believe it when I told them it weighs over 9 lbs. They can't "throw" a close rabbit target fast enough that I can't smoke it with that big gun. Don Amos' work from years ago with his turntable and measurements of M.O.I.(moment of inertia) opened my eyes to the subtleties of varying weights and types of shotgun's handling characteristics. It's just a personal observation again, but I think too much focus is placed on weight and too little on M.O.I.

My little 6 1/4 pound Sauer ten would make a great dove gun with its modified and full choking. With RST 1 1/4 ounce loads of 7 1/2, it should be ideal for the "tall ones".