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#6691 01/22/05 06:57 PM
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A Bockbüchsflinte according to the kind fellow at Heym. My percussion is (L).58 smoothbore x (R).58 rifled.
Were these used mostly for big game with a conical in the rifle and a ball in the smooth, or was the latter usually used as a shotgun?

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Sorry should have titled it simply sxs rifle/shotgun

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it was used mostly as a bockbüchsflinte with a shotload and a bullet because the hunter never know what game comes in his way. the roundball comes in the shotgun barrel when it goes only on big game like in in a "Treiben" where only gig game was allow to shot.

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Thanks pwm. I plan on using an expanding-base Minie (whatever weight shoots best) in the rifle during our blackpowder deer season while keeping a load of lead or bismuth shot in the left barrel for the odd grouse, gray partridge or pheasant that may appear.

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good to hear that it dont end as a wall hanger

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Its so nice and light weight and very well made that I must try it. Its by a maker in Dresden named Janeck. I don't want to pound it hard, so will "proof" the rifle barrel with about 80 gr ffG and a 420 gr Minie and then find a load with less powder and hopefully good enough accuracy at 50m to bag a deer. I will try and find Minies of different weights to try. The rifle barrel has "Pr" or "Pv" over "47" and I wonder if that dates the barrel? Likely not, as I read that vented nipples, that this gun has, were obsolete by 1830.

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A Bockbuchsflinte is an over/under combination gun. A side-by-side is just a Buchsflinte.

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Thanks cheapskate. I asked a fellow at Heym about this, but got no reply.

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Oh, I dont know that this was in question. yes an over/under is a Bockbuechsflinte, it means the over barrel is "aufgebockt". "Buechse" is your rifle, rifle comes from the german word "geriffelt" and means the grooves. "Flinte" is the shotgun and comes from the 18.century flintlock muskets.
german language lesson 1

drilling-2 shotgun barrels 1 rifle barrel
doppelbuechsdrilling- 2 rifle barrels 1 shotgun barrel
flintendrilling 3 shotgun barrels
doppelflinte 2 shotgun barrels
doppelbuechse 2 rifle barrels
buechsflinte- sxs rifle and shotgun barrels
bergstutzen-most time over/under big and small rifle barrel
bockdoppelflinte o/u shotgun barrels
bockdoppelbuechse o/u rifle barrels
bockbuechsflinte o/u rifle and shotgun barrel
vierling- 4 barrels of any combination you like
waldlaeufer- drilling with a rifle barrel over the shotgun sxs barrels

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Hal, what is the rate of twist? I'm thinking that a rifle of that vintage might have been meant for round ball use, so if the twist is slower than about 1:48 I'd try a patched RB first. A .58 RB will blow right through a whitetail at 50m, as you know - and a 1:72 twist won't stabilize a conical too well.

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