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I got an offer to buy a 20 ga. Flues at a very reasonable price. The seller told me the SN is 2640xx stamped on all the usual places. In addition, there is an F 20 stamped on the water table across from the SN. Do any of you Ithaca guys know what this represents? I have a 12 ga. Flues that has S 12 stamped in the same place, so assume the number is the gauge designation. I haven't picked up a copy of Walter Snyders' Ithaca Shotguns book yet...I guess it's time. Thanks, Keith


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The letter F indicates it's a Field Grade, The lowest Grade made.. MDC

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keith:

From a 1907 Price list on p. 51 of Walt's book, there is a Field(1F)- Special Price of $18(reg. 30), No. 1Special(1S) Special price of $21(reg. 37.75) and then No. 1(1) Special price of $24(reg. 40). Some consider the S stamp to be for steel tubes.

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MD and Raimey, I really appreciate the info. Hope I can return the favor someday. Thank you, Keith


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I bought the Flues 20 ga. for the princely sum of $125.00. The stamp on the water table was S 20, not F 20, however there is an F stamped on the forend iron. All serial nos. match. The gun is solid but has a small shallow dent in left bbl. Receiver is clean but has almost no case color. Bbl. blue is about 70% and spotty. Buttstock has been replaced with a piece of walnut that nicely matches the forend in grain and color, but it has the unbelievably common (for amateur stockers) too sharp nose at comb and a semi-pistol grip that is too bulbous and fat. Nicely inletted and well fit to receiver and original buttplate. I compared the stock closely to an original Flues and thankfully there is too much wood in a few places, but no shortages anywhere, so a little re-profiling can give it original dimensions. I'm still wondering if the water table stamp of F 20 and S 20 are both field grade guns.


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Originally in Ithacas the S stamp was the grade stamp for a No. 1 Special. The receivers of a Field Grade (half-pistol grip and Smokeless Powder Steel barrels), a No. 1 Special (Cockerill Steel Barrels and a capped pistol grip) and a No. 1 (Twist barrels and a capped pistol grip) were all the same. By 1919 Ithaca had dropped their composite barrels and streamlined their offerings. The Field Grade got a capped pistol grip, the old No. 1 1/2 with the bold floral engraving and Damascus barrels became the No. 1 with steel barrels and the No. 1 Special and the No. 1 1/2 were gone. Through that transitional period after WW-I you will often find low grade Ithacas with receiver grade stamps that don't exactly match the catalogue offerings.

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Researcher, Thank you for taking the time to clarify that for me and for providing even more information than I requested. Keith


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