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The time period that these pictures were taken was pretty early in the life of Photography. I would think that it was quite an event and that even the non-subjects of the photograph would stop whatever they were doing to see it happen. Remember many Native Americans would not have their picture taken because they felt it would steal their souls, I've got to think it was similarly novel, even to white folk, into the teens.

I see the guy at the door in the car photo, but It looks like a butter churn & a light inside the house on the front porch photo (to me).

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Glenn,

It took me years to find the proper wood for this project, I needed one that had a bit of figure in the butt and the rest straight. Also because the back of the Borchardt action is at an angle needed grain flow a certain way. When done this rifle needs to look like it came from Zischang’s shop. I was whining to Jerry Fisher about “No one understands me and the wood I need”. He said he had bought a bunch of this type wood years ago but people did not want it because it was so “Plain”. Problem solved. . I had the same wood problem when I was looking for wood for the pictured long-range, you can see in the picture how the wood grain meets the action.


Harry,

The photo is not very good, if I have time I’ll shoot just the action. The action is a commercial action with an octagonal frame. The plate can be removed to install factory set triggers. I was visiting a friend in Portland about twenty-five years ago and he showed me this. He had bought an almost new Borchardt sporting rifle before WWII pulled the barrel, wood and sights and threw them away (insert tears here) then had the action profiled, he had a varmint rifle planned but never got around to it.


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Hello Michael,
Thanks for the pictures, they're very interesting. I've only come across one photograph of an octagonal receiver ring before. It turned out to be quite a nice rifle. I may just make mine like that, It's certainly easier to machine.

A sad story about the demise of a good rifle, but then again if he hadn't stripped it, you may not have got it now. Every cloud has a silver lining. lol.

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Gentlemens:

Shucks, I did not even know that there was such a thing as an octagon topped Borchardt. Sure, now you tell me after I already have the round barrel.

Were any Borchardts made with "Rigby flats"? I will be using a round barrel and have toyed with the idea of Rigby flats. Mayhaps they would be best saved for a Ballard...

In any event, thanks for the pictures. I will save them with the rest for future reference.

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Originally Posted By: Glenn Fewless
Gentlemens:

Shucks, I did not even know that there was such a thing as an octagon topped Borchardt. Sure, now you tell me after I already have the round barrel.

Were any Borchardts made with "Rigby flats"? I will be using a round barrel and have toyed with the idea of Rigby flats. Mayhaps they would be best saved for a Ballard...

In any event, thanks for the pictures. I will save them with the rest for future reference.

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Hello Glen,
There are a very few modified Borchardt rifles with Rigby Flats.
The two below are from my files. One is a custom engraved and modified original action, the other is a 'Scratch Build' made by the Dutchman Leon Kranen, who I may add, has been of very great help to me in building mine, even if all his measurements are in 'Metric'. Machining Rigby Flats on a round barrel must be a nightmare.

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Some folks you can just never please, I would trade my octagon Borchardt action for a round (commercial) one in a heartbeat.

IMO, being a traditionalist I prefer Rigby barrels on rifles that original had them, in my eye they look out of place on others.


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Harry:

Thanks for the pictures. I rather like the looks of the second rifle.

The machining of the Rigby flat is not a big deal, it is the handwork that is brutal. Lots of quality time with files and abrasive paper.

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Originally Posted By: Michael Petrov
Some folks you can just never please, I would trade my octagon Borchardt action for a round (commercial) one in a heartbeat.

IMO, being a traditionalist I prefer Rigby barrels on rifles that original had them, in my eye they look out of place on others.


Michael:

We are strange creatures, aren't we? You have an action so rare I did not know of its existence and would rather have a "common" one. Being something of a traditionalist myself, I am asking about examples of original Borchardts with Rigby flats because somehow that will give me permission to put them on my own rifle.

Well, part of my own irrational makeup is a liking for octagon barrels. If I should stumble onto a round top sporting action we will see about a trade.

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[quote=Glenn Fewless
We are strange creatures, aren't we? You have an action so rare I did not know of its existence and would rather have a "common" one. Being something of a traditionalist myself, I am asking about examples of original Borchardts with Rigby flats because somehow that will give me permission to put them on my own rifle.
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Glenn,

I've never seen pictures of an original Borchardt with Rigby Flats, or in any of the Sharps Factory Catalogues. Rigby Flats were known in the USA in the early 1870's, or earlier, and they weren't confined to the top of the barrel either.

I have attached three pictures of the ultra rare D.S.Cole long range rifle from the early 1870's. One of eight known to exist of the 36 made. Cole obviously thought highly of Rigby Flats, he put one on the top of the barrel one on each side and possibly one underneath. I must admit I don't see any advantage to having them at all. Does anyone know the theory behind them?

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