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Rather then sink a bunch of money into a used gun, you might want to consider having Tony build you exactly what you want in a brand new Model 21.

Researcher,
I thought about that option. However I would like a real Winchester Model 21. No put down intended. Just like the old classic been around guns. Tony makes some beauties for sure. So are you in WA or AK? I have a place in Auke Bay AK.

marine - fix the helicopters good! I still appreciate what you are doing.

Experience seems to show that for all the strength of the action, the M-21 has the usual issues with barrel-rib separation, hinge pin/hook wear, trigger malfunctions, and spring issues. From a true testing stand-point, the W-W proof test was more of a stunt than a test. That said, it is still a very desirable gun.

A 30" or 32" gun is likely to be tightly choked. Before you cut the chokes out, I'd suggest you try using spreader loads when you need open choke effect. I am currently using a NID 4E 32" F-M in trap configuration for sporting clays to very good effect. I load 1 oz #8 in standard wads in black Remington hulls and same shot charge over X-post spreader wads in green Remington hulls. When I walk into the box, I have a choice of 4 chokes by sellecting among the two barrel chokes and the two loads. you can always have chokes reamed, but it is hard to put the back without tubing.

Rocketman,

I only know perfection in my job.

Last time I checked you can not shoot reloads in sporting clays tournaments. Have the rules change?

Anyways I shoot L.MOD .015 in each barrel. Both in my over and under and my side by side's. It works the best for me. It also takes the guessing out of the game. I shoot nothing but 7-1/2's that breaks clays all day long at any reasonable yardage, provided I do my part correctly.

Reloads are not permitted in NSCA tournaments. Many Trap 21's have really decent wood. Nice if you can find one that fits and has some character. Here's the one I wrote about earlier; I remembered I had a pic in my web album. Silvers

yes there are many out there with great wood. We'll see what I end up buying and the extent of work I have done. Either way when I return to the states I will be shooting a Model 21 as a sporting clays gun. Very nice wood on your gun.

marine - right on NSCA and loads. I shoot mostly Vintagers and reloads are allowed. sounds like you have it figured out - all you need is a gun. The good news is that there are a passable number of M-21's around at most any time. Good luck with your project.

NSCA rules specifically permit reloads except for FITASC.

I bought one with a JS Air Cushion stock,an aftermarket vent rib, and 32" barrels and Brileys for $3500. It was loose, off face, and doubled but after several hundred dollars worth of repairs it is now fun to shoot at sporting clays and five stand. I like the Air Cushion stock by the way. It wasn't at all punishing when the gun doubled.

Best,

Mike

David is correct. Although The NSCA permits reloads, the shoot management can prohibit their use in registered tournaments. Many of the larger shoots here in Zone 2 do not allow reloads. If you plan to shoot homemade spreader shells it would be prudent to check first. Silvers