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#8491 11/04/06 12:05 AM
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A recent thread mentioned Diamond Gunsmithing as a specialist for working on Floozies.

I had some corrospondence with them (they answered my inquiries quickly and courteously) about having some work done to my 2-1/2" chambered Flues 20ga. and it came out that, quote,

"I won't let the gun leave my shop with short chambers. Liability reasons. To lengthen chambers is $30.00/barrel. I'll test fire with 2 3/4" light field loads." I don't want mine changed.

Just a heads up if you are considering having work done, it seems chamber lengthening is mandatory. Hate to see someone's original gun be altered unintentionally.


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If that is his absolute answer, he will never get a gun of mine to work on. I have a 12ga damascus Flues that needs some work too.

If his solution to liability concerns is to lengthen chambers and remove metal from the barrels, nothing I own will darken his door.

Plus he charges for work you might not want done in the first place? He may be courteous, but a 'smith lacking in what we consider basic knowledge on this BBS is worrisome to me.

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Just an update, today I received the following email from Diamond Gunsmithing.

From: diamondgunsmithing@a-znet.com
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:20:35 -0500 (EST)
To: recoil@optonline.net
Subject: Ithaca

Apparently you've been slamming me on a forum. What do you think may happen to a old double that was fired with a 2 3/4" round in a 2 1/2" chamber. Much more of a problem. Ithaca Gun Co., Inc. "Custom Shop" restored case color on all doubles, and single barrel traps with a special gas with a torch. This is way less heat than in the furnaces for case color. So you must think that the master gunsmiths that taught me are idiots also. Be careful what you put on these forums that might be interpreted as slander.

LES"

I replied that it's only slander if what I stated was false. Since I only quoted him directly (as here) if the statements are false it's because he gave me false information.

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Well, I don't have any Ithaca's, but I sure won't be sending him any other guns to work on. His defense of his poor methods is also poor.

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What kind of gunsmith threatens to sue someone? That's the Nancy Pelosi approach. The least he could do is threaten to shoot you.

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I don't see the connection between case color "restoration" and short chambers. Did you dance him around on that one also; not clear until we get him quoting you but there must have been some provocation to get him to produce a defense of Ithaca passing the torch so to speak. Sounds like a guy who spent too much time around Bill Ruger and feels the conviction that he knows better than anybody.

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The logic for altering the chamber from 2 1/2" to 2 3/4" is beyond my limited education. The gun is not designed for modern 2 3/4" factory loads and almost all of us know that. Removing more metal in the chamber area is not going to increase the guns ability to shoot modern loads. By insisting that this must be done, to make the gun "safe to shoot", implies that after alteration the gun will be safe to shoot with 2 3/4" shells. In effect that gunsmith is impling that his actions have made an unsafe situation into a safe situation. Talk about a legal can of worms.

He would be far better off to write every gun owner a short letter explainig the possible problems that factory 2 3/4" shell could pose in a short chambered gun and keep a copy for his file. Then he should leave it as is, he has covered his liability a-- and warned the owner. Why get that involved that you may cause a greater chance for failure by increasing the chamber to 2 3/4". $60.00 is not that much money to me or even most gunsmiths.

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While Ithaca did use a torch in later times when not only refinishing but in the building of new guns, internal memos indicate that the offending gunsmiths were grasping at straws in procedure since the old original methods had been misplaced. The "torch" was the result of inability to develop a proper method of coloring or hardening. My reference is Walt Snyder's first Ithaca book. I sold a very nice 4E Single Trap to a friend for a very low price. Since he had little money in it, he decided to send it to Ithaca for refinish and Dollar Grade wood replacement. The gun came back terribly torched and fitted with obviously junk box high grade wood, poorly finished and chipped badly at the tangs and action back. They had used a "takeoff" stock on his 4E, not fitted it properly and did not refinish it. To be honest, I did not see the original order for the work nor did I see the invoice. However, none of the work done did anything but detract from the value of the gun which was a nice original 4E when sent to Ithaca. The refinishing methodology that the gentleman inherited from his old workplace is nothing to defend.

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I am sure there is a misunderstanding here with you fellas and Les at Diamond Gunsmithing. He has an excellent reputation and his work is well thought of. Walt Synder highly recommends Les and I know of many Ithaca owners that are very satisfied with his work. I think you are way off slamming him.

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I appreciate comments here, all commendable in tone and content except for the note on slander which I accept as cautionary in intent and not to diminish fair comment. But the sentence most poignant to my way of thinking is ". . . a 'smith lacking in what we consider basic knowledge on this BBS is worrisome to me." Me, too. And there's nothing slanderous in what others think of another's opinion of professionalism and competence.

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