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3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. #94998 05/15/08 10:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr OP Sidelock
OP ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama	Has anyone seen another Birmingham proved double from the 1875-1887 time period w/ a stamp of "W.W.G." on 3 Iron Stub Damascus as found in pic #20 here: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98888225 ? Were the initials common or on specific grades? I'm assuming it is a "G Grade" and "Wedge Fast" is the same as the 1873 "Treble Wedge Fast". Note the 68 Haymarket, London address. Kind Regards, Raimey rse Last edited by ellenbr; 05/16/08 12:18 AM.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. ellenbr #95002 05/15/08 10:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,430 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,430 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	Here are the brls, which are nice 'Turkish' Crolle very similar to D2 found on Parker G grades Last edited by revdocdrew; 05/15/08 10:34 PM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Drew Hause #95003 05/15/08 10:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr OP Sidelock
OP ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama	revdocdrew: So, you don't consider them 3 Iron Stub? Also, do you think they are in house mechanized tubes or would this be near the time of pattern welded import tubes? Did Parker source them from Belgium, France, ??? Kind Regards, Raimey rse Last edited by ellenbr; 05/15/08 10:40 PM.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. ellenbr #95005 05/15/08 10:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas Stallones Sidelock
Stallones Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas	Two of my Greeners from that period have WWG on the barrels and one from 1880 has WWG stamped inside the lockplate. [img][/img] Last edited by Stallones; 05/15/08 10:49 PM.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Stallones #95007 05/15/08 11:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,579 Likes: 88 Alaska Mike Harrell Sidelock
Mike Harrell Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,579 Likes: 88 Alaska	I was looking at that gun. It's got lot's of potential for the price.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Mike Harrell #95011 05/15/08 11:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr OP Sidelock
OP ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama	Mike: Give it a go and let us know how it turns out! Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Mike Harrell #95012 05/15/08 11:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,430 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,430 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	Another shot of the Greener brls "Did Parker source them from Belgium, France, ???" Likely Belgium and England, like the other US makers. I believe the Bernard II found on C grade guns was also from Belgium. Parker D2 found on G grade guns 1892 Quality No. 2 LC Smith 1890 F grade Lefever Remington 'Oxford 4 S.J.' Colt 1883 ALL could be termed 'Turkish' Crolle Last edited by revdocdrew; 05/16/08 09:12 AM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Drew Hause #95014 05/15/08 11:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,579 Likes: 88 Alaska Mike Harrell Sidelock
Mike Harrell Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,579 Likes: 88 Alaska	I just bought a double rifle. Funds are short now. If the rifle fell through I was going for it.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. Mike Harrell #95020 05/15/08 11:55 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr OP Sidelock
OP ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,828 Likes: 194 North Alabama	revdocdrew: If possible, give us a 3 Iron Stub and "Turkish Crolle" pic to compare. That 1892 Smith No. 2 almost looks like "Chain Damascus". Anyone: is it a "Grade G"?? Kind Regards, Raimey rse Last edited by ellenbr; 05/15/08 11:57 PM.

Re: 3 Iron Stub Tubes w/ W.W.G. ellenbr #95023 05/16/08 12:08 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,598 IL PeteM Sidelock
PeteM Sidelock Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,598 IL	Originally Posted By: ellenbr revdocdrew: If possible, give us a 3 Iron Stub and "Turkish Crolle" pic to compare. That 1892 Smith No. 2 almost looks like "Chain Damascus". Anyone: is it a "Grade G"?? Kind Regards, Raimey rse Raimey, It is impossible from those pictures to determine how many "irons" were used. I will say that the crolle is rather large, so I doubt many billets were used. Exactly what is meant by mechanized is still not clear. I have confirmed that the Belgian patents are lost except for a single illustration. If there were English patents, I can not locate them. I strongly suspect that the mechanized barrels were twisted into a single piece of round bar stock and bored out from there. Pete Damascus-Barrels

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