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These are off a fairly plain gun with Best Stubs twist Ca.1884[im




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PM:

4 bore, no doubt? Nice finish. Is it original?

PeteM:

There may be a way, but we just haven't broke out the X-ray machine or electron microscope just yet. The repeating pattern is almost too similar not to be some type of mechanized method.

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4 bore ball gun. Redone by Westley.

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PM: could you please post some more barrel pics. That sure looks like Laminated Steel
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfg2hmx7_62d9d3mdmb

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The only reason I termed it "3 Iron Stub" is that I opened "Modern Breech Loaders" by W.W. Greener and found the Damascus plate and description as well as the pics in "The Gun". From the period, how did Greener, or British trade, refer to the pattern?

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We'll know when someone finds the British Damascus Rosetta Stone
http://www.internetgunclub.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=1229&forum=38

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revdocdrew:


Somehow, I knew that was going to be your response.

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What is the length of the barrels and does Greener's 40:1 rule of thumb of barrel weight to load rule apply?

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A couple of things I believe worthy of note. 3-iron Stub is a "Stub Damascus", ie twisted in the bar prior to winding. Stub Twist is a horse of another color & is not twisted in the bar. Greener's 40:1 ratio is bbl length to bore dia & is not load related. 96:1 was a weight to load ratio applied to shotguns.


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Miller is correct.
It should also be pointed out that the illustrations in Greener's 1835 The Gun were reproduced/copied by about every other later gun writer and W.W., and that does not mean those barrels were still being manufactured c. 1880s (or called by the same name)
http://books.google.com/books?id=oIEY4qL...ary_s&cad=0

I can't verify this, but having looked at LOTS of British damascus barrels, my sense is that, unlike the Belgians, they found two excellent patterns, 2 and 3 Iron Damas Anglais variants



and 3 and 4 Iron Turkish (as shown) and didn't attempt to create many patterns only for ornamental and marketing purposes (but I still wish we knew what the British called the patterns )

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Revdocdrew,
I am going by the ledger page entry "Best Stubs Twist Damascus" and correspondence with Greener.
I will get a couple of better barrel photo's.

ellenbr,
40to1? I would think at least; 24" 12.5 lb barrels ledgered as a ball gun.

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