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#559196 - 11/26/19 04:09 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
Bruce Bernacki Offline
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 78
Loc: Eastern Washington State
Mine measured about 5 pounds when they returned it to me. The left barrel came in at about 5. No, they aren't going to give you probably what you would like, but then, you can either do what Stan advises or send it to someone you trust. Since I only have around 15 rounds through my gun, I'm confident they will lighten up with use.

Bruce

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#559198 - 11/26/19 04:10 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Stan]
Lloyd3 Online   content
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Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 1750
Loc: Denver, Colorado
Stan: That's a shame. Good wingshooting requires good triggers, period. I had to fight a bit with the Dickenson service guy, but he finally saw it my way and put the triggers down in the 3 1/2 - 4 lb range (per Mark Reynold's trigger gauge). I had asked for 3 and 3 1/2. The gun weighs only 5 1/2 lbs and anything heavier causes me to rotate it when firing.

Another reason for buying this gun now is the current political climate. I spoke at length with the vendor about his shipping and FFL requirements and he gave me an earful about doing business in some of the more-difficult states (California, New York, Maryland, etc.). I've got all the guns I'll likely ever need going forward, but my son doesn't (quite yet). I'm also wondering just how long CZ (and others) will be making such a product available to consumers here. For such short money, I figured "why not".


Edited by Lloyd3 (11/26/19 04:21 PM)

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#559209 - 11/26/19 07:01 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
GLS Offline
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Registered: 03/23/11
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Loc: Lowcountry, GA
I had a local 'smith do the trigger work for a fair price on my first generation CZ Bobwhite 28 ga. There's nothing exotic about the innards. Gil

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#559211 - 11/26/19 07:15 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
Stan Offline
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Registered: 01/03/02
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3 1/2# - 4# is pretty good on a hunting gun, Lloyd. Glad yours turned out so good. Were you talking to the actual service man, or a representative for Dickinson? The reply I got was from a rep. who told me to send it back and put a note in the box saying that he said to lighten them to 6#.

If I had one that needed lightening I'd just send it to Phillip Crenwelge and be done with it. I do simple triggers myself, but have never done a trigger plate action, so Phillip would get the nod on it.

SRH
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#559213 - 11/26/19 07:39 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Stan]
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I actually tracked down the gentleman that did the work. I've since tried to find his contact info but....no luck. This was 3-4 years ago now, so maybe he'd not been given the company line on trigger-pull weights yet?
Six pounds is just ridiculous on a 5-lb gun. Any decent British game gun is right around 3 1/2 to 4 pounds of pull.


Edited by Lloyd3 (11/27/19 11:10 AM)

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#559785 - 12/04/19 06:44 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
Lloyd3 Online   content
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Registered: 12/12/12
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Loc: Denver, Colorado
Got the gun yesterday. Seemed pretty decent in an overall sense. I'm used to a bit more refinement in a double but I wasn't disappointing by the weight or even the fit and finish. The triggers weren't great but they seemed serviceable (nice break, no creep). Did my background check, looked at a sweet & light little Verny Carron 16 for $2700 that somebody had buggered the screws on (damn shame!) and brought the $600 Bobwhite home. Took it up to a buddy's house this morning to put a trigger gauge on it. Front trigger broke at 6 1/2 lbs, the back trigger exceeded the 8-lb scale(!). Extrapolating past the 8-lb point on the RCBS unit, it let go around roughly 9 1/2 lbs. Oh well...thank goodness for the free shipping and service option. Other than the triggers...I'm still impressed. The action body is significantly smaller and less-blocky than the earlier Bobwhite versions I'd seen, and the barrels aren't excessively heavy either, even with the choke tubes ( I had a DeHaan Huglu 20 bore in the late 90s that couldn't make that claim). At the reportedly 7.3 lbs (haven't properly weighed it just yet) it's a pretty serviceable 12-gauge. Once the triggers have been put right, it would be fair to call it the doublegun equivalent of a Remington 870. This gun in 20, at nearer the 6-lb mark could be a fairly serious upland birdgun I suspect.


Edited by Lloyd3 (12/04/19 08:08 PM)

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#559786 - 12/04/19 06:50 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
Stan Offline
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Registered: 01/03/02
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Loc: somwers in Jawja
Please let us know how the deal turns out when you send it back to get the triggers improved. Glad you like it overall.

Best wishes, SRH
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#559787 - 12/04/19 06:57 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Stan]
Lloyd3 Online   content
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Registered: 12/12/12
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Thanks Stan. It's a Christmas present for a rather big 15-year old so...the triggers will likely now have to wait until after the holidays. Reports on CZ's service center in Topeka have been very positive. Might get to use it on January pheasants yet, if we're lucky. Sitting here and just now remembering a Bobwhite in 28 that I actually bought back in the 2013-14 timeframe (before my Dickenson .410/28). It went right back into the shipping case and was returned because it was just so-tanky and poorly balanced IMHO (I had it for only a few hours so I'd almost forgotten it). This one doesn't seem to suffer from those flaws.


Edited by Lloyd3 (12/04/19 07:07 PM)

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#559788 - 12/04/19 06:58 PM Re: A good 20-something double? [Re: Lloyd3]
tut Offline
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Registered: 02/06/02
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Loc: Retired FED
Falling into the FWIW category, I have two vintage Foxes where I got the original work order cards. Both specified trigger pulls of 4 lbs. Both guns were small bores and double trigger guns.


Edited by tut (12/04/19 06:58 PM)

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