I spoke with Mike Graf.

Here is the story:

  • 1.) We need to have a 50% deposit to him by EOB on Thursday, December 14th. After that he can no longer order 16ga paper hulls & expect delivery in 2007. The manufacturer shuts down for the holidays. They only do a yearly run of 16ga paper hulls. By the way, the only color available is black. They buy the tubing from another manufacturer. If we are ordering 60K hulls that requires $3,597 to place the order.

  • 2.) Pricing 1M unprinted $119.90, printed $125.00

  • 3.) They come packed 2,500 per carton. Mike estimates a full bodied pickup will be required to move them from his dock.

  • 4.) He is purchasing 50K hulls that he will sell through his own website. This is a separate order from whatever was discussed with any members of this forum.

So, at the very least, we now have a commercial source for 16ga paper hulls.

Pete