At my age I'm not going to change my mind on 16s. Have wittled my flock down some by giving them to my daughjter and son both advid shooters as are several of my grandsons. Still have 5 self loaders, 2 slide actioons, 2 O/Us and 3 SxSs. A MEC Grabber for the 16s and abit of boughten ammo in 2.5 and 2.75 in. shells. I hunt all the birds with 16s, from woodcock to turkeys and geese and everything in between. What's not to like about the 16. Have picked up an Uggie Grade 3 in 16 that will probably get the most use this fall. I do think that I have enough and will not be looking for more unless it's a SxS or some other neat 16 ga. shotgun. Now have 16 ga. shooters in my family from 17 to 73. Obsolete, I don't think so.