SKB, agreed. I purchased a Lindner Daly for a fraction of what I have seen them listed. To credit the expertise on this board, I did not know what I had until I posted questions about it, and gentlemen here enlightened me. I will make a trip to the local Cabelas later this week to look at an Ithaca Crass Gr.4. I will be carrying my own bore gauge, and barrel wall thickness gauge though.