It is so hard with all the variables in the size of the young shooter, that can handle a shotgun.When my daughter was 12,she wanted to shoot. I didn't want to ruin her with recoil and failure to break any clay. My choice was to get enough shot in the air to help her break some clay.I personally always felt that a 410 was almost an experts gun, not a beginners gun. The experience of some here says I was wrong. I did buy her a Rem.1100 in 20 ga.on the older 12ga. frame.With her strength plus the lower recoil loads I loaded for her,it proved to be the perfect set up for her strength and abilities. A friend of mine wanted to get his 12 yr.old brother in-law shooting. Bought him a break open single shot 20ga. That light weight 20ga. was absolutely punishing for him,the gifted and me.he was much better with light loads in a 12ga. pump.