Craig,

I "met" Michael circa 1970 when I reduced my single shot collection a bit. How many years before that he had been collecting is unknown to me, but I don't think it could have been too many, given his age. He later said his first Pope was one of my duplicates. Our first face to face meeting was many years later, 2007, as I recall.

I "met" John through Michael circa 1990. He was well established as a collector at that time. His gunsmithing work was superb!