Originally Posted By: King Brown
There's an informative and intelligent conversation on the Second Amendment currently on the Parker board, a model of respectful discourse of varying opinions of changing legislation.


King Brown's post above has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this special thread. It does not belong here. It does not conform to Dave Weber's stated purpose. King should know better since his prior attempts to deviate from the stated purpose resulted in his posts being deleted. But just remember, when King says something pertaining to gun rights, it is always best to check the facts for yourself. I believe that the Parker Forum thread he references is this one:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19231

Reading through it, there is one participant, Bruce Day, who appears to repeatedly question the clear meaning of the 2nd. A few others confront his opinions, and one, Dean Romig, in post # 26 of the thread, makes an ad hominem attack on one of Bruce Day's female ancestors by reminding him that his ancestor made an accusation of practicing witchcraft that led to the executions of four other women, including a good wife and mother named Rebecca Nurse. Pretty rough stuff.

Then in post # 29, Double Lab states... in a most civil manner... "You are clear as a bell John. Keep in mind that liberalism IS a mental disorder. Need I elaborate?"

I have used those exact words to describe Liberalism myself, and got accused of uncivil behavior... or should I say "behaviour" since it was King who lambasted me. But he claims that this discussion on the Parker board is a "model of respectful discourse."

Another participant, David Noble, in post # 33 outlines the distinctions between Liberals and Conservatives by accurately describing Liberals as far more likely to support abortion, income redistribution, and GUN CONTROL. The very next post blames a Republican, Ronald Reagan, for signing legislation while governor of California, that may have led to acceptance of new full-auto firearm restrictions within the 1986 FOPA

King Brown made one somewhat rambling post within that Parker thread. He makes an obviously incorrect observation about the Parker Board and partisan politics. I wonder how things would go over there if King started posting his anti-gun Trolling rhetoric such as he does here...

Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
I believe there is a connection---as most liberals do--- and that those conservative and liberal countries with exceedingly lower rates are a result of their democratically chosen, more-onerous, freedom-restricting regulations, common-sense or not.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.


Well, the answer is easy if you read the rules. King would be banned from the Parker Forum if he posted the same anti-gun, partisan political things he has posted here. This is not the first time that King has attempted to subvert and disrupt Dave Weber's 2nd Amendment Informational thread. His fellow troll Ed has done the same. That's what anti-gun trolls do.

A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.