I'm not arguing with anyone. I've taken a position that an ecumenical model has proven more efficacious in forwarding our interests than fighting from a weakening base of more them than us. Affluent or otherwise has nothing to do with it. The Canadian fraternity sacrificed nothing in rolling back the registry. I've seen no "pain or suffering" under our reformed system and no wins in the US. Self-defeating chest-beating didn't enter into it. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. No arguments are needed, policy-based, personal or otherwise.