King Brown's posts have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this special thread. They do not belong here. They do not conform to Dave Weber's stated purpose. King should know better since his prior attempts to deviate from the stated purpose resulted in his posts being deleted.

Same for the recent posts in this thread made by Ed Good. This thread was never intended for discussion. It should be obvious by now that the intent of King and Ed, two of our most persistent anti-gun Trolls, is to disrupt this thread. Here are a few direct quotes made by King Brown and Ed Good. It should be apparent that they are not here to help to preserve the 2nd Amendment:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


Originally Posted By: ed good
does the second amendment prohibit state and local governments from regulating the keeping of arms by the people?

i believe it does not...what say you?


Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court departed from the original understanding of the Second. The NRA and other groups rejected the original interpretation. Even as late as 1991, the jurist Burger appointed by Nixon said "the Second Amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In 2008, in the District of Columbia v. Heller, what Burger said was fraud was accepted by the court. Interesting stuff.


Originally Posted By: ed good
some view the current version of a well regulated militia as your local unarmed volunteer fire department...augmented by your local armed town police force.

what used to be militia is now your state's national guard, which is under the command of your state's governor... and your state guard is subject to call up and command of the president of the united states...


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.


Originally Posted By: ed good
as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm...


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.


Originally Posted By: ed good
disarm...seems to work for the rest of the civilized world...

why not us?


My post here is 2nd Amendment Informational in nature. It is intended to demonstrate that this forum, and many others, are populated with a number of anti-gun Trolls whose only real purpose is to disrupt gun rights discussions and to stab us in the back. We have several here, but Ed Good and King Brown are the most dedicated anti-gunners we have, in my opinion. They may occasionally pretend to be pro-gun, but their own words over the long run show that they are dishonest as well.

The posts above are just a small fraction of the anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric posted by King Brown and Ed Good. I have saved much of it. I plan to post all of it in the Silent Doubles forum when they die as a permanent epitaph so that everyone remembers who and what they really stand for. They are no more help to us than Teddy Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama, or Sarah Brady. This is not dividing gunners into a caste system as King proclaims. This is understanding that it is foolish to allow yourself to be infiltrated and undermined by the enemy.

A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.