Today I was at Graf and Sons stocking up on reloading supplies for my skeet and trap loads, and there was a bag of 1 1/4 ounce twelve gauge wads, for the bargain price of five dollars.

Being a hoarder of all things of that nature, I bought 500 Downrange Winchester clone 12 gauge 1 1/4 ounce wads, for Winchester AA or Remington one piece 2 3/4" hulls.

My intent is to roll up some pigeon loads, the same as Michael McIntosh and Bob Brister wrote about, and that were used by gentlemen at Monte Carlo shooting for a thousand pounds sterling per pigeon, while beautiful ladies with long, swan like necks watched in admiring approval.

There are some wild pigeons in Missouri, and plenty of doves, every fall. I'd like some live pigeon loads to shoot at them.

What speed am I looking to drive an ounce and a quarter of hard shot out of my shotgun, to duplicate live pigeon loads?

Thanks for any advice.