Originally Posted By: King Brown
I don't think it's electing stupid people. Most start off wanting to make it better in their communities. It's what they have to do to get the money to be re-elected that separates them from the people.


Wrong again King. It isn't political donations or PAC's that cause people to become like you or Hillary Clinton, and blame these crimes on the availability of an inanimate object like a gun.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Pew Research has a good reputation, Jim. It's a source in the link Ed posted. Crime is declining in Canada, too, although our tougher-on-crime federal government can't build jails and penitentiaries fast enough.

Misfires seems near unanimous that there's no correlation between the number of guns and surpassing US gun violence, and that more guns lowers a homicide rate experienced nowhere else in the developed world.

I believe there is a connection---as most liberals do--- and that those conservative and liberal countries with exceedingly lower rates are a result of their democratically chosen, more-onerous, freedom-restricting regulations, common-sense or not.

I commented earlier on the cultural differences between the US and other countries in this respect, including how differently the US and Canada developed. Why do Americans dismiss the graphs and statistics?


Most American Gun Owners do not dismiss the graphs and statistics King. But we have learned that we should not trust data provided by anti-gun Liberal Left Progressive Socialists like you.



The U.S. has over 300 million guns and a 2012 murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000. Russia has only 13 million guns, and a 2012 murder rate of 9.2 per 100,000. So we have over 23 times as many guns and a murder rate about half as high as Russia. It would seem that the problem is cultural rather than due to the availability of guns. But King Brown will never admit that because he is here to undermine our gun rights.

A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.