It is entertaining to see King using the term Fake News. Especially considering all of the Fake News he has posted here over the years in his never ending efforts to undermine our 2nd Amendment.

King has persistently rehashed his totally incorrect opinions about the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms... even after the 2008 Heller and McDonald U.S. Supreme Court decisions affirmed that right:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court departed from the original understanding of the Second. The NRA and other groups rejected the original interpretation. Even as late as 1991, the jurist Burger appointed by Nixon said "the Second Amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In 2008, in the District of Columbia v. Heller, what Burger said was fraud was accepted by the court. Interesting stuff.



Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.



Originally Posted By: King Brown
Dave, Dave, Dave: you're like those fundamentalists who claim Jesus walked with the dinosaurs. There was no NRA at time of the Founding Fathers. The change was recent to what the Second is today. You acknowledge as "infringements" all those jurisdictions making the Second what they want it to be. But still the law.

Whether Americans carry because they can or have to is not the issue. They democratically make decisions on how they want to live. Their homicide record is not edifying among modern societies. It is a violent country.


Yes, King presents this same Fake News and would have us all believe that the NRA twisted and perverted the Original Intent of the Framers, and that our individual right was only invented in recent years. Mounds of evidence to the contrary has never stopped King from presenting his Fake News and false assertions. I've always wondered whether King wasn't the Father of Fake News, and whether such dishonest reporting is what led to his premature departure from journalism after a relatively short career.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court in 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller changed the 200-year-old narrowly interpreted Second from serving in the militia to an individual right. Do you favour democratic processes over justice of stacked courts?

Why I ask, as I mentioned earlier, is that there is no political will to change regulations; Obama talked about it but did nothing. What party would commit suicide by taking away what a majority considers a sacred right?


And there's some more of King's Fake News about the 2nd Amendment, and his repeated lie that Liberal Left Democrat Barack Hussein Obama did nothing but talk about advancing more gun control legislation. We all know that Obama tried to do much more, and considered his failure to pass sweeping anti-gun legislation as his greatest defeat... a defeat by the millions of gun owners who took the time to join the NRA, and call their Congressmen, and vote out the legislators who sided with him.

Of course, my opinion is totally and completely based upon what King posts here. It is his own words which betray him. And I've learned that much of what he posts as facts is nothing but falsehoods, anti-gun dogma, and DNC talking points. The purpose of this thread was to explore rational "common sense" alternatives to new gun laws that would save many more lives... if the intent of all of the hysterics is really a concern with saving lives. Since King obviously isn't here to help, he ought to partner with Ed, Jagermeister, SKB, and rocky mtn bill, and they could start their own pro-gun control thread.

A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.