Stan I am glad you had such a great day. Wish I was there with you. The .410 is a bit of an obsession with me as well. But to be honest, if I was stuck with the ammo, powders hulls of just ten years ago I would not be hunting with one even now. I am sure there is a little more performance that they can squeeze out of a .410 but not that much more. The wimpy factory loads back then did not have enough stream to work much past 20 yards. Now 30 is within reason and even 33-35 under decent conditions. I just have the feeling I am at the point in my life that the range will be going down all too soon. Until then Doves beware.