I like Bakers and have several. They made a real heavy 12 bore water fowler that was retailed by Montgomery Ward, 32", 8 pounds, .055 chokes, .045-.060 barrel wall thickness, that I have a pair of. Both in working order but not pristine by any stretch. Always figured they would make a great composed pair for those driven duck and goose hunts. Don't know which will happen first the driven shoots or me getting around to them.