Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: nca225


If only I had actually used the word "collusion." I don't believe you will find that in any of my posts and I challenge you to reproduce one post where I used the word "collusion"

A foreign adversary influenced our election and it benefited Trump. As a result he changed the GOP platform with respect to Ukraine in Russia's favor, worked to relax sanctions on Russia, denied that they helped him and has sided with Putin over our intelligence agencies and allies since he was elected. Lets not forget the obstruction and lies that his sycophants did to protect him. Might not be collusion to Mueller, but that hasn't stopped you from being dishonest and spinning what I write to something you know is false.


I don't know if you specifically used the word "collusion" Nancy-boy. And I don't have time right now to sift through all of the bullshit you post here. But I have also challenged you to show us where I or anyone else cast a vote for Donald Trump because of Russian influence.

I voted for Donald Trump because of Liberal Left Democrat influence. I did not want any further infringements upon the 2nd Amendment, and I was tired of seeing our country spiral downward economically under Democrats. I did not want to see the U.S. go down the same path as Venezuela. I did not want to be in a Godless society where it is OK to kill innocent babies up to, and even after birth, and to sell their body parts. I did not wish to see more of my labor and earnings taxed to redistribute to illegals and those who are too lazy to work. I did not want to see Trade Deals that resulted in massive unsustainable trade deficits, or wish to see jobs and energy production going to China and other countries.

Some of the toughest sanctions in years have fallen on Russia’s elite under the Trump administration. Sanctions imposed over Russia’s invasion of Crimea in 2014 have not been lifted, Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine — something Barack Obama did not do — and he has ordered missiles fired at Syrian military sites, openly targeting strategic operations and allies of Russia. But perhaps none of those sanctions against Russia and Putin over the Ukraine and Crimea would be necessary, if only Barack Hussein Obama had not rolled over like a whipped puppy, and allowed Putin to have his way.



And you will not ever say anything about lies and obstruction concerning Hillary Clinton's illegal e-mail server, deleting over 30,000 e-mails which had been subpoenaed by Congress, smashing Blackberries, and permanently deleting files using the Bleach-Bit program. If you could just take your head out of your ass for a few minutes, you could see that we are much better off under Trump. And I'll repeat my observation that... If Putin did anything at all to keep Hillary from becoming President, then he deserves the Medal of Freedom.

Unfortunately, you can't show us where he changed one single vote. But Hillary scared millions of Democrats and Independents into voting for our pro 2nd Amendment President Donald Trump.


keith, Because I want you to read and consider my response, I will refrain from insulting and low brow language.

I understand that it fits your narrative of me to claim that I have been crying for the last two years because my liberal left anti gun democrats didn't win the election, but I think you know you are making a false assumption to fit your position.

I have been constant in my attack that it is yours, and other trump voters knowing support of a candidate that is in the bag for russia, because they were helping him win the election. Russia's preference for, and efforts on the behalf of Trump during the campaign is an undeniable fact, confirmed by numerous intelligence agencies and the Mueller report. This was even addressed and made known during the election, where trump denied that it was Russia hacking the DNC during the presidential debates. The issue was front and center when Trump encouraged Russia to find Clinton's emails. A request that the Russian's took seriously and acted on as per the report. Why would Trump make this statement if there was no discussion as to the meddling?

What I have been crying for over the last two years is how Americans can throw their lot in with a foreign adversary over the integrity of our own elections because they see beating the opposing political party as a better outcome because it has short term gains for their party and ideology. That is incredibly disloyal and unpatriotic and if that is the calculus one makes with knowledge of the election meddling, it is also treasonous.

The issue is not if Russia actually influenced your vote. I never have, nor would I suggest that Russia did or could influence your vote. I am 100% confident that you would have voted for Trump, Russia or not. The issue is you and other trump voters did so with knowledge of their interference and that did not cause one moments pause.

That is not slight to me keith, that is a slight to your country, one that has given you liberty and freedom and the ability to choose your government and your representatives. A country whose previous generations sacrificed much to secure and preserve. Siding with a foreign adversary sh!ts on those sacrifices.

I quoted the above because your statement confirms my concern. You openly admit what is important to you and how that trumped the attack on our country. If you don't think that was an attack, Dick Cheney disagrees with you.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-russia-hack-no-question-act-of-war-2017-3

And also, you are correct. Obama was feckless when it came to Russia. I never in that past was complimentary to him on Russia. I think if you search my posts you will find that I think we should have turned Moscow into glass back when they started their adventure into the Ukraine and the Crimea. I'll even happily go a step further. Mitt Romney was right and Obama was wrong 2011 when Romney stated that Russia was the biggest global threat.

To bad all of us didn't listen to him back then. Maybe this would not have happened to us.

Still, even with this knowledge, people put their party and ideology over country. That is what concerns me. Not that I didn't get liberal left anti gun democrats into power.





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