I recently read an article by Ken Waters on the "Lo-wall" variation of the Win 1885 SS in an old issue of "Rifle," (#44 March-April 1976) one of his "Classic Rifles" series.

In it he mentions the "Lightweight Carbine" variation (rather scathingly--I wonder what he would have made of the 16 1/2" "Winchester" Hi-wall carbines recently marketed in such calibers as .45-70 and .30-40!) but also says there was a standard Lo-wall .44-40 carbine with 20" barrel instead of the 15" barrel of the "Lightweight."

I've seen the latter, some of them with Australian brand markings like "Stinger," but never an authentic 20".44 WCF carbine (I've seen some Lo-walls that had been cut down from rifles, but all of them were obvious non-factory work on a Plain Sporter with octagon #1 barrel).

Anybody see one of these 20" .44 carbines? Was it "lettered"? Waters mentions that some of them had saddle rings--never seen one of those, either.

Don't remember this variation from Campbell's books, either.


Last edited by Mike A.; 11/01/19 12:52 PM.