Yeah, I know what you mean. Theres a place for beater guns though, like in a duck boat where theres lots of mud, the dog gets muddy paws on everything including the gun, etc., etc. I dont take fancy guns grouse hunting because its rough if you really beat the bush, constantly banging up against aspen trees, tripping on deadfall and then falling, et. al. ....and the older I get, the rougher the guns take it mad Soon and due to aging, I will be forced to hunt just trails, then I probably can take the good ones. But......the hunting just wont be as good.

Socialism is almost the worst.