Fair enough.
Only curious, which traditional 45's cartridges do you folks shoot, breech seated, swiss butt plates, off hand?
I believe you, it would just be absolute torture to shoot a 'long for bore' 45-70, knowing you can not really down load black powder, and all at only 100 or 200 yard targets for score.
No fair mentioning muzzle loading, but that may be a bit different than pure breech seating, but again fair enough. I have felt a seater start to get inconsistent, never fired for score in competition, but I didn't care for what I percieved as inconsistency.
.408, .409, .410 take your pick, but I think 40 is a misnomer just as 45 is. In the long range matches that I am familiar with, the 38s and 40s are definitely well represted at long range, but the 45s are the default safe picks. Ouch, a well built 38-50RH sucks at mid range? You folks are a tough crowd.
