I have 16 gauge w/30" barrels that I ordered through John Boyd before he retired. I asked for custom dimensions and they were close, but I ended up sand-fitting mine for just a little more drop and cast. While the grip is indeed thicker than an English pattern gun I have come to appreciate it because I like and shoot B&P F2's at pheasants and don't worry about cracking the stock, but that's as hot as I'll go. The new 1 1/4 oz. 16 gauge loads are ridiculous. I also shoot a fair volume though it at clay targets. The triggers are very nice and mine were 3.4/3.9 lbs. from the factory on my digital Lyman gauge. This would all be moot if I didn't shoot it well, but I do!