HalfaDouble, for sure it's 9.3x70R. I got them with the thought of cutting them down for my 9.3x57R/360. The fellow I got them from thought they were x72's but didn't know anything else. With the Berdan primers, it looked like a lot of work for a single use (for me). I don't know if they are loaded with BP or not. I suppose I could dismantle one and see. I didn't pay any attention to the headstamp so I had to go look. Of a sample of 6, 5 have "H. UTENDOERFFER" over "NURNBERG' which I assume is manufacturer and city. The sixth was marked with a single "N" and "9.3x72R" but measures 70mm leading me to believe these are indeed reloads.

Der Ami, condition is not terrible but certainly not pristine. Of course, I cannot vouch for their effectiveness. Also, no box---all loose rounds. May I send you a PM for further discussion?

Note: If a sale occurs, I will contribute to Dave.