Thanks for the link to the 2009-2010 ICD thread. Wow, 12 years since we read that great explanation, and debate, about these guns. I thought my post was enlightening. ICD dealers knew nothing about the different serial numbers, makers, you name it. All we knew was the guns, the prices, and the great Steve Lamboy. As I said in my post in 2010, I was in it from the prototypes to the very end, and still have to post on this forum to get information. Thanks again for the link.