I agree 100%== and with the ammo retailing at Midwest at $100 a box, most of John's local customers will most likely not buy it for deer hunting. I am going to offer him half of the 2500 tag price Out The Door, mainly because: It has a Leupold Vari-X 111 scope in the mount-- but your observations are "spot on"-- I doubt if John has been in the "gun game" long enough to spot the "flaws" this M70 wears-nor does the consignor--they see a pre-64 Model 70 and think "Big $$$-- well, maybe yes, maybe no--RWTF

"The field is the touchstone of the man"..