Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
So, all of you who own mechanical wall thickness testing devices disagree with Dewey V. ?, who says:


Mechanical Wall Thickness Gauges Are Worthless

Traditional barrel wall thickness gauges are inherently inaccurate due to the flexibility of the barrel arbors. This includes the vaunted "English Gunmaker's Style" that uses three rods mounted in a baseplate. The reason is that the arbors are solid rods that can be 14 to 18 inches in length and no matter how stiff you might think they are, they absolutely are not. They will flex measurably at the slightest provocation. This tool serves little more purpose than to impress the ignorant onlooker. It is guesswork with a dial indicator, nothing more, and was never the best tool for the job, even though it was the best that could be hoped for at a certain time. Thankfully, that time is passed. The ONLY widely available method of absolutely accurate wall thickness measurement is through the use of ultrasonic measurement. The tool that I use is the DeFelsko UTG P1 which is capable of measurement down to .008" in steel with an accuracy of .0004" (four TEN thousandths of an inch). Yes, it's expensive because actual accuracy costs, but it's worth every penny.

Here is some proof of the flexibility of the "traditional" gauge construction. The following video shows just how much movement there is in a .625" diameter water-hardening steel rod, at 16 inches unsupported length, chucked in a 5C collet in the lathe. This setup is much more rigid than any baseplate mount. The amount of deflection (a lot) versus the force applied (very little) should illustrate why ten different people will get ten different readings of the same barrel.

"But it's used in a vertical position" you say. Think about the fact that half of the barrel length is above the uppermost end of the arbor and that the inner wall of the barrel being measured MUST contact the arbor. Do you really believe that you can hold the inner wall in contact with the arbor, while not inducing ANY side load and causing it to deflect at all?

"But it's better than nothing" you say. No, erroneous information is worth exactly nothing.

"But so-and-so uses it and always has" you say. Of course, it looks snazzy, it impresses those that don't know any better and it's cheap to make. As you'd expect, it is also monumentally overpriced to buy, which further cements its "credibility" with the purchaser.




Apparently, he has so much credibility on this board when he speaks of other doublegun related topics, why not this?

All measurements are erroneous. Every single one. So, trying to pare through the hyperbole to get meat of the matter, how does Dewey respond to those that claim to be able to repeatedly measure known thicknesses with satisfactory accuracy and precision? I build decks and barns with tape measures, though they are not nearly as precise or accurate as vernier scales and micrometers. The deck hasn't fallen down yet.

This seems like "my dog's better than your dog" sort of BS. Par for the course on doublegun.com, however.

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