Glenn Baker at Woodcock hill told me that most of his customers were accomodated by 5 to 7 degrees. Most of mine seem to be about 4 1/2 to 5. Not always sure how that tranlates to distance of muzzle from wall or door case but I agree that rib or barrels against the wall doesn't work for me. I changed pitch on a Brummy 12; about an 1/8" off the toe after removing colossally long stock extension and before adding pad.

jack