Originally Posted by Jimmy W
Originally Posted by LeFusil
Originally Posted by Jimmy W
If Tim's AYA (company) says that he can shoot steel shot through his gun, then he shouldn't have to worry about shooting normal loads of steel shot though it. It should have been tested at the factory to do such. I have a 686 Beretta that I have always used to shoot trap for 20 years. Some places I shoot only allow you to use steel shot if you want to shoot there and you have to buy THEIR ammo to shoot at their range. I have shot several boxes of steel shot through that gun of normal trap loads over the years at that range with an IM choke with no problems. Browning says I can use steel shot in my Citori and I will use steel shot in it if I ever need to. --7 1/2 shot--1 1/8th oz. about 1235 FPS--10,400 PSI in a 12 gauge is what I refer to as a "normal" trap load with lead shot for me. The steel shot load that they sell us is pretty similar. Either breaks targets fairly well.......P.S. Pardon me, Tim for thinking that your gun had screw in chokes at the beginning of this thread. I didn't realize that your gun had fixed chokes. Good luck.


An AyA 4/53 is neither a Citori or a 686. The 4/53 is a light game gun.
All AyA is saying is that the BARRELS can handle steel loads, loaded to CIP standards. Our steel loads are not loaded to CIP, they’re loaded to SAAMI pressures. Euro proof makes no claims as to the effect of the loads on the action, stock, etc.
Take the “mild” 2 3/4” Remmy Sportsman high speed steel, it’s a 1200 bar load (17k psi) Thats not a normal trap load. They are stout, and It’ll loosen up a light game gun fairly quickly.
There are some Euro steel loads available here in the States. Bioammo produces CIP steel loads that several places sell here in the USA. I have no personal experience with any Euro produced steel loads. Mr. Cartmell may want to look into offerings like that. If it were my AyA, I’d probably stay away from SAAMI steel ammo.
I realize all this. All I'm saying is that my gun manufacturers say that I can shoot steel shot in my gun. So, I shoot steel shot through them. If his AYA says he can shoot steel through his gun, he should be able to shoot steel shot. I don't believe that AYA would say that he can shoot steel shot through his gun if it wasn't so. As long as he doesn't shoot some monstrous load. I would think that he could shoot any 20 gauge load that the average shooter would shoot trap, skeet or sporting clays with. Even though you normally wouldn't use steel for those events. Why would AYA build a gun to shoot steel shot and then turn around and tell you not to use it on an animal because the steel load to kill that animal is too big. In other words, why buy a gun to use for duck hunting and then not be able to use it for duck hunting because the load to kill a duck is too big to use steel shot with. I'd like to know what he intends to use the gun for. I'm anxious to hear what they say.

Hey Jimmy,

It's all good. No worries. I'm not upset about any of this. It's a very good discussion about concerns I hadn't thought of before.

I haven't heard back from AyA, and if I do, they will likely just say that the shotgun was tested by the Eibar Proof House, it passed proof and so is good to go. In my mind they wouldn't be wrong if the CIP Regulation makes the statement "no choke restriction" for High Performance Steel Proof. But if the ammunition manufacturers are advising against it, then I think it's better to be safe than sorry over potentially damaging an expensive shotgun. It' a very nice gun, I like it and have been using it all along with lead shot since I bought it. I had just thought if the Government policy ever changed regarding lead shot where I live, then I could still have an option with using steel shot in a a modern shotgun. Again, no worries. It's all good.

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TC